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Battery for T580 (T570)

Q: Battery for T580 (T570)

I'm about to order a T580 today and I see there is a choice of "6cell Battery 48Wh Rear" and "3cell Battery 24Wh Rear". Does anyone own the 48Wh battery for the T580 (or T570) so that they can confirm if the 48Wh batter sticks out at all? I want a battery that does not raise the laptop. Also where can I buy a second (spare) battery that is exactly the same as the "6cell Battery 48Wh Rear" and "3cell Battery 24Wh Rear"? Are there any accurate pictures of the 6cell 48Wh battery online someone can send me a link to? Thanks in advance. My first post!

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A: Battery for T580 (T570)

Take a look at the parts list website. It has pictures too. Sort by rechargeable batteries on the left side check box. https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-t-series-laptops/thinkpad-... Also here is a video of the 6 cell i found on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhOKGcf56-c





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Good afternoon, Would you so kind to advise if the keyboard for the ThinkPad T570 can be used to replace a keyboard on a ThinkPad T580 (20L9)  Thank you in advance for your help!





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A:Keyboard for T570 versus T580

Hello, Any help/suggestion please? Thank you.Regards,





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Good afternoon, Would you so kind to advise if the keyboard for the ThinkPad T570 can be used to replace a keyboard on a ThinkPad T580 (20L9)  Thank you in advance for your help!

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Hi All,What is the best to run two 3840 x 1600 minitors (LG 38UC99-W http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-38UC99-W-ultrawide-monitor) via a T580 (or T570) via thunderbolt 3 connection? Do I have to buy a dock/port?Many thanks

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I'm about to order a T580 today and I see there is a choice of "6cell Battery 48Wh Rear" and "3cell Battery 24Wh Rear". Does anyone own the 48Wh battery for the T580 (or T570) so that they can confirm if the 48Wh batter sticks out at all? I want a battery that does not raise the laptop. Also where can I buy a second (spare) battery that is exactly the same as the "6cell Battery 48Wh Rear" and "3cell Battery 24Wh Rear"? Thanks in advance. My first post!

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Brand new T580 (20L9) and feel like I have had batter problems from the start. I have updated all there is to update to try to solve the problem but now have hit a dead end. Battery 1 currently says 0% and not charging and does not recognize it anymore I think.  Where do I go from here? I have looked around and seen other models with similar problems but nothing seems to come to a clear conlcusion on how to solve this.

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HelloWould anyone please be able to help with some t580 questions? 1) I wanted to know what the FHD (not UHD) screen is like especially in terms of sRGB, adobeRGB and PWM? If not, are there any comparisons to the T570 FHD screen? 2) the laptop comes with 4 cell 32wh front battery.  The rear battery configurations seem to be- 6 cell 48wh- 3 cell 24wh- 6 cell li-ion 72wh cylindrical  Is the front battery removable? Also the 6 cell 48wh option seems to be cheaper than the 3 cell 24wh - anyone know why this is? The front battery still remains with all of these combinations doesn't it? Thanks 

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Hello, Brand new T580, second battery at 45%, and does not charge (tried to disable built-in batteries in BIOS and then rebooting, didn't help). Also tried resetting via Windows 10 , got error. Any idea? Using latest Windows and Lenovo drivers. Thank you,Saar

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Hello,I would like to rise my lower battery threshold on ThinkPad t570. Now is set to 5% and then change to internal battery. I would change to 10%.I tried change settings in Power Options -> Critical battery level to 10% bat still change battery from internal battery to 5% and then change to internal battery. Please help

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I'm thinking about buying this laptop, as the specs ar worth it.But I just read on NotebookCheck (Link to article) that when on battery mode the CPU (i7-7500U) is limited to 2.5 / 2.7 GHz.Can anyone confirm this? I hope not, as I need it at full power when on battery mode.Thanks guys!

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Anyone know where I can find or how I can calculate the energy costs of different configurations? I've got a T570 in the shopping cart but realized I don't know how badly I'll kill the battery life with a fully loaded one. So I'm wondering about hte differences between 16GB vs 32GB RAMHD displays vs. UHD displayIntel onboard graphics vs. NVIDIA 930MX adapter If I'm cutting the battery life down to an hour or two then I'll give up the video adapter and UHD display. If it will still run 4 hours or more then that's fine. Anyone have the UHD + NVIDIA configuration and some feedback on battery life? Thanks! 

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I can't figure out for the life of me if a t580 allows for FDE and how to make it work.  Forgive me if this has been asked before.  My machine is a 20L9001TUS type with a 1 TB hard drive.

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Hi allJust wondering of users of this laptop, what their thoughts on it were? How's the screen (stats like sRGB, AdobeRGB etc. would be great)? How is the MX150 GPU? Any throttling during games? How are the thermals?Thanks in advance 

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Hi everyone, basically I have the same problem as previously mentioned in other threads, but the solution providied, isn?t applicable for my case. The fan turns on if  you?re only webbrowsing or doing some editing work in word, which obviously shouldn?t be the case.I run Win10 Pro. All updates and drivers seem up to date, at least Win10 says so.How do I check if it?s really the case? BIOS is 1.09. Setting the battery plan doesn?t have an effect. Coming from a reddit post, ist was suggested, that I should ask @someotherguy if a solution he proposed for other models, also works for T580. Everything is explained in the following reddit  thread. http://reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/8f24ki/t580_fan_turning_on_cpu_10/dy1cw9u Help would be greatly appreciated. Please note, that I am not as tech?savvy as you are, so please keep it in mind, if you?re answering(read: talk to me like i?m an idiot ) ? 

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I have a T580 and the lid opens too easily. The lid moves if I move the laptop a bit. Is it possible to tighten the lid?

A:T580 The Lid is too smooth

It seems you are uncomfortable with the lid.It's impossible to tighten it unfortunately. You may have to deal with it.Maybe a little design change for Lenovo eh?

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Hello, sorry for posting these basic questions but I've done some research and I want to make sure that I make the right decision when buying a new T580. I've been out of the loop in tech for a few years now, and I'm just learning now about hardware BIOS whitelists, etc. I want to buy the most basic T580 model and make sure I can upgrade certain components later on when I have the money available to do so.  1) Can I upgrade the basic model with the i5-8250u / 4GB RAM to 16GB of RAM later on? PSREF says yes, up to 32GB, and I've watched videos that say there are two slots for RAM available. Just want to make sure there is not any limitation and that I can upgrade later on to at least 16GB. 2)I already have a Samsung SSD - SATA III 2.5 inch. Since this model has a 2.5 drive I assume I can replace it with mine. But am I limiting myself in anyway for future updates if I don't get one of the NVME drives now? 3) I would possibly like to get the WWAN card later on. Is it possible to buy and add one later on?  4) Will this computer run dual 4k external monitors, should I ever get them?  Since money is very tight, my only priority right now would be to get the stuff I cannot add later on (3840 x 2160 screen, possibly graphics card but would have to bump up to 8350u).  Thanks!

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Hello, As the title states. Is it possible to upgrade the CPU in my T580? That is -- through Lenovo. I believe I read that the CPU is soldered in, I'd imagine if I went through Lenovo they could maybe handle this task?  Thanks. 

A:Possible to Upgrade T580 CPU?

You could, for example, swap an i5 motherboard for an i7, but it would be cheaper to sell yours and buy a machine that meets your needs.

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I have a brand new T580 in front of me. I am trying unsuccessfully to boot it from a USB stick. In case it makes any difference I am trying to do this before ever booting into Windows. Here is what I have tried. First attempt: Power On; Hit Enter at Lenovo splash screen; Hit F12 at Startup Interupt Menu; Select my USB drive from list; Hit Enter; screen goes back for about one second and then the F12 menu reappears like nothing happened. Force power off by pressing and holding the power button. Second attempt: Power On; Hit Enter at Lenovo splash screen; Hit F1 at Startup Interupt Menu; to eter the BIOS Setup. Disable secure boot (Security > Secure Boot). Save (F10); repeat first attempt. Same result. Third attempt: as before except that I additionally set Startup > UEFI/Legacy Boot to Both and tried again. Same result. Fourth attmpt: as before except that I changed the boot priority to put legacy first. Same result. Fifth attempt: as before except that I set  Startup > UEFI/Legacy Boot  to Legacy Only. Same result. The USB stick has Grub on it and boots Linux distributions. It works in about a dozen other machines that I use it on regularly.  I tried two separate USB sticks and I tried both USB ports on the right-hand side of the computer. If I can't get this to work then it's going back. I am stuck. Please help!

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Spoiler (Highlight to read)Machine: T580Issue: new RAM not recognized by BIOS or Windows 10Good afternoon, I would like to ask for help on a RAM issue I have been experiencing. I have tried scouring other forums and various websites to see if I could find a solution. I have not been able to resolve my issue.Issue: The system does not recognize the upgraded RAM installed into the MOBO. Only 16 of the 32 GB are detected. I have verified on the Lenovo website that the computer can handle up to 32GB RAM.Troubleshooting done:1) swapped RAM into each slot2) Verified the RAM are seated properly in the slot3) Checked MSCONFIG to ensure there is no max RAM checkbox enabled4) Verified that in the BIOS, it only detects 16GB instead of 32GB5) Using one of the BIOS tools to perform a system check on memory to ensure that nothing is out of order.RAM purchasedatriot Memory VIPER 4 series 32 GB (2x16GB) 2400Mhz SODIMM DDR4 PV432G240C5SKAny suggestions would be greatly appreciated!JakeUpdate:1) I removed one of the RAM chips from the machine and determined that the RAM still in the machine was detectable.2) Using the same slot, I inserted the 2nd RAM chip... voila... faulty RAM chip.Machine: T580Issue: new RAM not recognized by BIOS or Windows 10Good afternoon, I would like to ask for help on a RAM issue I have been experiencing. I have tried scouring other forums and various websites to see if I could find a solution. I have not been able to resolve my issue.Issue: The system does not recogn... Read more

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I'm thinking of buying a T580. The teardown videos show a card type M.2 solid state drive in place. Will my 2.5" Samsung 850 Pro 2TB SSD fit? Will I need any adapters?

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Hello,I'm interested in buying a T580 thinkpad and got some questions: 1. does the 4K display consumes more battery power than the FHD display? 2. for those customers with 4k display - are you satisfied with that choice? (are the fonts readable)2. in reality, how long does the battery last with standard use? (with all types of rear batteries)?3. how is your overall impression of this model? Thanks, Johnny 

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T580 connected to USB-C dock is able to detect 2 displays but the laptop is not being charged via the thunderbolt port - Using USB-C cable between the dock and T580

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First... long time T series user going back to the initial ones. Had been using a T520 up until I finally gave in and purchased a T580 over the BF in July sale. Since I have been using a dock for a long time and like the convenience factor I got the Pro Dock (40AH0135US) to go along with the T580. Long story short... the first T580 arrives with a blown system board. I send it back and 11 days later another T580 arrives. This one boots and has no issues off the dock. It's fast and definitely an upgrade from the T520. First thing I notice in placing it on the dock is that the side mount process is tedious. Reading other posts seems to confirm that experience. It's nowhere near as well engineered as the bottom dock solution and I spend more time trying to insert the dock mechanism than I ever had with the legacy dock solutions. I eventually get things perfectly aligned and power on. Right off the neither external monitor is working. I have two Dell UHD monitors connected to the DP's on the dock and neither comes on. I mess with the cables and nothing, I take the T580 off and re-insert... nothing. I call Lenovo and without even trying to diagnose the issue they issue an RMA for the dock. I get another dock 2 days later and this one works for exactly 1 day. The external monitors work and then 10 hours later when I come home from my job and place the T580 on the dock they don't work. Nothing changes but somehow things are back to not working again. To be clear at no point from powe... Read more

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Hello everyone,I'm planning to buy my first Thinkpad, probably a 8th gen Intel processor one. I read this on the T580 specifications sheet : "System has one HDD slot or one M.2 2280 slot exclusively for storage" but that doesn't seem clear to me.I found here someone else who as the exact same, unfortunately unanswered, question :System has one HDD slot or one M.2 2280 slot exclusively for storage. Why I cannot use it with dual drive setup. One fast but low capacity PCIe NVMe ssd on the M.2 slot and another high capacity hard drive on the regular 2.5" HDD bay. Why one or another but not both? I couldn't find a simple and clear answer to that question

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I am trying to figure out if I can use a 3 monitor setup with my T580 laptop.  I have the laptop docked on the 'ThinkPad Pro Docking Station'.  I am using the two DisplayPorts from that to go to two HP EliteDisplay E243i monitors.  I have a third monitor, a HP Compaq LA2206x that I connected to the HDMI port on the laptop but when running any of the monitors from the dock, the HP Compaq will not be detected.  The integrated graphics card says it can drive 3 monitors so I'm not sure why this won't work?  Does the HDMI port go to sleep/shut off when monitors are being used through the dock?

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I'm thinking of buying a T580. The teardown videos show a card type M.2 solid state drive in place. Will my 2.5" Samsung 850 Pro 2TB SSD fit? Will I need an adapter?

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When instaling the Thunderbolt Firmware Update Tool, I was prompted to put my laptop into G3 mode. What is G3 mode?

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Hello- this is my first post to the Lenovo community forums. I just received a brand-new T580, custom ordered directly from Lenovo. If it matters, this was supposed to have a 500GB spinning disk and 16GB SSD (Intel Optane PCIe). Windows 10 was the only option for pre-installed OS (Professional, in this case). This new machine will not boot and has yet to boot. I received it on a Friday afternoon. Once I unboxed and charged it and tried to boot, tech support conveniently closed for the whole weekend. I opened a ticket in Lenovo's MTSA (yet another account to open), with no response. Now I am turning to the forums. I installed the battery and charged it, then attempted to boot. My first attempt resulted in INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE, then rebooted. The same thing happened again, then started "Automatic Repair" Automatic Repair (a/k/a Startup Repair) did nothing, probably because there is no existing image to revert to or older version of Windows to fall back on. I get the following errors: "System Restore: To use System Restore, you must specify which Windows installation to restore. Restart this computer, select an operating system, and then select System Restore." (Of course, that does not happen-this is a brand-new laptop) Then "Re-image Your Computer: An internal error occurred. The following information might help you resolve the error: STATUS_WAIT_2 (0x80070002)" (Good luck!) I ran all the Lenovo diagnostics, and they all pass with flying colors. I also like that my display... Read more

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Please advise if Lenovo can deliver T580 with preinstalled Windows 7 Professional as out of box delivery so save several tinkering hours at user's garage. It had been tremendous performance issues with T570 with Windows 10 resource hog experience. I would not prefer to run Windows 10 again on T580 - high performance machine hogged by Windows 10. If Lenovo could pre-install downgrade option out of the box that would save several hours of research by end users, T580 with Windows 7 would perform more stable and solid provided if they have enabled all the drivers to function properly.  This has been hugely frustrating experiencing to deal with T570 machine running Windows-10 Pro, I had to dump the machine. I dont have much confidence to run T580 on windows 10 pro, it would not even match T520 machine ( 7 years old machine) running on Windows -10. Looking forward for the solution, request Lenovo team to enable Downgrade option as part of the customization to save users's time and stable user experience. If Lenovo Does not deliver out of the box, first thing to do after the machine is to wipe out Windows 10 to install, Please let us know if the drivers available or I would be placing a ticket to go through 100 steps to get it done.  Thank you,Mamba.

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HiMy new T580 thinkpad restarts anytime while I'm in the middle of working on several windows.I disabled Automatic Restarts option but it still takes over with an Orange Screeen and Restarts. While it takes less than a minute to recover - this is an annoying interruption. Help Please.

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Does anyone upgraded their T580 with the SSD 970 EVO NVMe M2 512GB ?  If so, any issues ?  any thing needed? 

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After 4 months the parts needed to install the NVMe M.2 drive in a T580 arrived from Encompass. They are:01YR45701YR466The hardware portion of the install is fairly easy. The cable is a little bit long and you have to tuck it in between a small space on the motherboard. I replaced the existing 500MB SATA drive and connect all the part for the new HP 1TB (EX920) drive. I connect the old drive to a USB and attempt to clone the drive to the new M.2. The new drive M.2 drive is not recognized. What is the secret to getting the system to recognize the M.2? I've tried WinPE boot OS, Win 10 and Acronis's app.

A:T580 NVMe M.2 upgrade from mechnical HDD

Is it seen in BIOS?  If not there may be something amis with the connection - or the part.
 
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I got a new T580 think pad and some program windows are not displaying it's GUI properly. (e.g:. Buttons, textboxes are overlapped and cluttered, cannot resize windows.) Current resolution is set to default 3840 x 2160. I have tried changin resolution, try to change the compatibility settings on programs but issue still persists. Below are some example screenshots. Please let me know if there are any resolution.  e:g. Visual studio 2017 add new DB connection window.   Microsoft Outlook advanced search window 

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I am going to be ordering a T580 with this dock: 40AJ0135US.  I will be running a DP-DVI adapter and would like to make sure i buy the right adapter. Do i need an active or passive adapter?

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Dear all, I've just been affected a lenovo T580 for professionnal purpose, and I wanna have a 3 screen setup to work on. Sadly, when I plug a USB-C > HDMI adaptator and then to the external display, my main screen is just flashing every 2 or 3 seconds (like if the resolution was changing everytime) but I have no single display on my second screen. First question : Is the USB-C of the T580 made for displaying ? Second question : Have I forgotten something and missed a step to use it as an external display port. Thanks a lot !

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Hello,I have a T580 with discrete GPU and i set up a dual boot environment Win10 and Linux. On Windows things work as they should, but under Linux i have the following two issues with my screen:- it blinks ( like goes off and on ) very quickly but noticeable;- a small band of the screen in the lower half, blinks like the above; The frequency at which they occur it is not constant; I have tried several Linux distributions with several desktop environments, different kernels, even disabling the discrete GPU didn't solved it.Also the issue happens if i log in to the GRUB shell. (No X Server started)  Did anyone has/had the same issue?Any advice is very welcome. Regards

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Hello Everyone, I'm looking to buy my first ThinkPad but Lenovo segmentation is a bit confusing. I understand T is midrange model and E is entry level.  But both models could be customised with the same specs, 15inch 1920x1080p, i5 8250u, 8gb (4x2) ram, 128 ssd. However, there is 300 ($USD 420) price difference? Both laptops look identically. Is it worth paying extra for T model?  Unfortunately, there is very little info available online. Please shed some light. Thank you.      

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Hi All, When my T580 is docked, with speakers attached to the audio jack on the dock, the Dolby Audio program reports the following message: "Plug headphones or speakers into the system audio jack to enable Dolby Audio." Should the computer not recognize when speakers are plugged into the dock?  Seems like a bug. Software, drivers and firmware are all up to date. Has anyone else seen this? Len 

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Hey folks,I just purchased a T580 from Lenovo.com this month. I received it and upon opening immediately noticed a continuous sharp edge all along the three sides of the keyboard/computer part of the laptop. The screen is fine, this is only along the edges of the base portion, and not including the back edge where the screen hinges.  The textured surface on top of the base seems to have a sharp, possibly unfinished edge. I have spoken with the support line and haven?t gotten far.  I would like to compare my laptop to a T580 in store but cannot find one.   Its hard to photograph but I think I?ve captured it here just above the fan openings. If you zoom you can see the light from what I call a sharp edge. The fact that there is a change in angle at all in thus location leads me to believe it is a production oversight. I do believe I could whip this unit into shape with an emory board, but why settle for a less than excellent product.  So my question to the forums is, can anyone attest to this being the normal fit and finish for these T580?s?  Is this a problem or is this the expectation. Has anyone else experienced this issue?Zoom to the center of the picture and you can see the sharp edge along the bottom edge of the top piece of material 

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Hi,due to known compatibility issue with earlier Samsung SSDs ( Lenovo KB article , Forum post )I wonder are the new Samsung 970 EVO and PRO fully supported, including Thermal Management? Thanks,  A.

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T580 (fresh from factory).  Intel(R) UHD Graphics 620 driver (12/27/2017 - 23.20.16.4905).  Intel Core i7 vPro 8th Gen.  Windows 10 64 bit (freshly updated).  Lenovo Vantage system update freshly updated.  (today's date: 4/28/2018) LG display plugged into HDMI port on Thunderbolt adapter which is plugged into the USB-C port on left side.HP display plugged into HDMI port on right side. Either display is detected just fine if I unplug the other one; but when both are present, it only detects one of them. This exact configuration was working fine on my T470, Intel Core i5, vPro, 7th Gen. So, bigger and better (and more $$) is worse. My bet would be on a driver issue.  (Windows won't let me install the Intel April 2018 driver - it says probably because the manufacturer did custom driver coding.)

A:T580 Won't detect a second external monitor

UPDATE: Well, ok, it DOES appear to TRY to "detect" the display when I first plug it in.  But it has no properties (e.g., Resolution) and the #3 icon on the layout panel soon disappears and clicking the Detect button won't bring it back (unless I unplug my other monitor - then it detects fine and works fine).

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Hi,I have a brand new thinkpad T580.When I am playing audio, I get a random crackle or popping sound. This gets progressively worse the longer I listen. Stopping and restarting the audio seems to resolve the issue temporarily, but after about 10 mins its back.This issue also seems to be worse while charging or if the CPU load is high.Possibly related is the fact that my fan seems to be spinning faster than it should. Im running an SSD so shouldnt be producing too much heat but its always noticable. Assuming it was the media player, I have tried a veriety of players including just playing windows sounds so its not the software.The sound is the same if i use speakers or headphones or laptop speaker,I also have done full driver updates and bios update to latest version.Thanks,

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edited typo in title - mod  (850-580)
 
I've shortlisted the T580 for a purchase, just wanted to ask what Lenovo's attitude to linux installs is. ThinkPads are well supported in Linux but how does that reflect in warranty provision, service etc? (obviosuly, service would not be expected for a custom installed OS like Linux).
 
I just wonder whether any issues may receive a "Oh, you installed Linux... tut tut... that is the problem." regardless of what issue one might have.
 
I've read that the fingerprint reader does not work in Linux. Is this still true ? If so, does that affect the NFC ? I ask because I noticed you can't select NFC without the fingerprint reader when configuring the system. I suspect that's because the NFC is provided by the fingerprint reader?

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We have several T580s and 40AH docking stations and all have worked fine, until today when the USB ports on one of the docks stopped working. The display and charging functions are working fine, it is ONLY the USB ports that are not. I tried the USB 3.0 and 2.0 ports and neither work. I can plug the mouse and keyboard into the laptop's USB ports and they work there. I also don't think it is the docking station itself - I moved the laptop to another 40AH dock and the exact same issue persists. If it is a hardware problem then it could be one of the connectors on the laptop - the docking station slides 3 connectors in from the left side when connected so it may be one of those.  I did install drivers and updates on the laptop yesterday, but the problem was not reported until mid-day today. I have fully updated the laptop with both Windows Update and Lenovo System Update. I can't find any firmware updates for the 40AH docking station, at least none that actually see the dock when run. Has anyone else had this issue? Everything is on warranty so I will be contacting Lenovo support soon, but I figured I would get this out there.

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Hi, just got the T580 but kicking myself that I did not get the back lit keyboard. What do you guys think - does it make much difference? Is it the same feel as the normal keyboard? Is it possible to swap out?  If so where is the best place to get the part?  Thanks.

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